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Yesterday I just spent about $130 on pepper spray, flashlight, and batteries for my girlfriend. About half of the days of the week, her classes end right after it gets dark. Last week on my campus (CP Pomona) there were two attacks two days in a row, one at night and the other in the morning. I would think that my campus would be much safer than hers, although I don't think any campus is completely safe. She has to cross campus to get to the bus stop, ride the bus for about 30 minutes, then has to walk from the bus stop to her car. Is it weird that I am paranoid about her safety?

BTW I bought the best OC spray and flashlight that I thought would be best.

Surefire 6P Defender
(This bitch is waiting to be jammed in someone's face)


Fox Labs 2oz Flip Top (Cone)
2% OC and 5.3 million SHU


Also some Sudecon wipes in case she gets cross contaminated.
 

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it would be weird if you didn't care.

Looks like you made some nice purchases though.
 

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Just got the OC spray and all I can say is WOW. Since I am human, and therefore very curious, I decided to sniff the tip. Now my eyes feel teary and slightly burn :-[ I wonder how much worse it would be when actually used.

I hope she never has to use any of this stuff, but it is there if she ever needs it. Just waiting on the Surefire to arrive, if it doesn't arrive soon, I might let her use my E2D.
 

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In this day you CAN NEVER be to careful. Driving into LA every day, I wish I could arm myself (legally). Lots O' nut jobs out there. Your not paranoid, just prepared.
 

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good shoice on the light. with that bezel it just takes a good hit to the eyebrow and they'll be blinded by blood- in theory. IMO, pepperspray sucks because it can incapacitate her too. i took it another step and gave my girlfriend knives for purse with a little instruction. Just remember what ever you bring to the party can just as easily hurt you too.
 

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Good for you man! A little PARANOID is good!
 

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I would've gotten her a knife, but I don't think she can handle it. I've let her play around with a few of my knifes, but I don't think she is ready yet. With pepper spray (less lethal weapon) there would be less hesitation to use it compared to a knife. I could of gotten her an E2d for $15 more, but I totally forgot about it.

Since I won't see her till tomorrow, I chosen to carry the OC spray with me to my 8:00pm final. Its in my jacket pocket, and I hardly even notice.
 
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What mtnkraut said is VERY true. Pepper spray will get everywhere, including your eyes as well as the bad guy's eyes. Ask me how I know. All I can say is that I'm used to it. But now I have a handy-dandy little toy called the X-26 Taser. Now THAT is a sweet little go-getter! But the other statement is true as well....what you have can be taken and used against you. Train with whatever you have for protection. Then train some more. But if you can get out of the situation BEFORE you have to use the defensive weapons of choice, that is your best bet.
 

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I carry a knife in my purse at all times...ya never know if you'll need it but I think I would feel more comfortable with pepper spray. I would use the knife if I really needed to but at least with the pepperspray you could just spray and run. Anyway good for you for being concerned for her safety! :)
 

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people can still fight and run after being sprayed. they can even see for a few seconds before it catches affect. some people dont even react which i really scary. believe it or not, pepper sray is more effective in daylight undr the sun than on a cool night. i good burst of light straight to the eyes may have more of an effect to daze them and give you a head start.
 

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I am still hesitant about her carrying a knife. The first of the two attacks that happened at my campus last week involved a knife. The woman was in one of the administration building bathrooms at around 8:00 am during one of the attacks. The story was not clear, but there was a knife with a 2" blade involved. IIRC she ended up being stabbed and had passed out. Whether or not if it belonged to her or to the attacker, I wouldn't want to give her a deadly weapon that can be used against her. I've been with her long enough to know that she doesn't like the idea of carrying a knife, she doesn't even like it that I carry a knife everywhere.

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people can still fight and run after being sprayed. they can even see for a few seconds before it catches affect. some people dont even react which i really scary. believe it or not, pepper sray is more effective in daylight undr the sun than on a cool night. i good burst of light straight to the eyes may have more of an effect to daze them and give you a head start.

Have you had experience with Fox Labs OC spray? Its supposed to be one of the strongest sprays out there, and it looks to be twice as strong as others that I have seen.



Would any of you suggest anything else or recommend and alternative to what I have mentioned? A knife right now seems to be out of the question.
 

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Taser international makes a civilian model i think, that may be the most effective but u will drop a a grand for it. As for the Fox LAbs, i have no idea. Civilians can only carry up to a certain pepper percentage so i dont know how effective it is. teach her to shine the light directly in the eyes and that may be your best bet. Surefire puts out a magazine every so often and it has articles on using blinding light.
 
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At night the light will work the best for a minute or two. I think civilians can have 5% pepper spray, while police use 10% pepper spray. I don't know the difference, other than the police model works very well on anyone not sprayed with it who is standing in a 20 foot radius of the sprayee.
 

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mtnkraut said:
Taser international makes a civilian model i think, that may be the most effective but u will drop a a grand for it. As for the Fox LAbs, i have no idea. Civilians can only carry up to a certain pepper percentage so i dont know how effective it is. teach her to shine the light directly in the eyes and that may be your best bet. Surefire puts out a magazine every so often and it has articles on using blinding light.
Yeah, I quickly looked at some prices and they cost way too much. I used to get SF magazines about a year ago, but I just remembered that I haven't got any for a while. I think I might have to re-subscribe for it.


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At night the light will work the best for a minute or two. I think civilians can have 5% pepper spray, while police use 10% pepper spray. I don't know the difference, other than the police model works very well on anyone not sprayed with it who is standing in a 20 foot radius of the sprayee.
The Fox Labs spray I purchased is the 2% "Law Enforcement Formula" which I think is what you mean by the police model. As for the percent, I found no restrictions in the state of CA (surprisingly) but there are some in other states (2% Max in MI). The only restriction in CA that I could find about pepper spray is the size (no more than 2.5 oz) and some laws about the container.

Also can you give any info about Sudecon wipes?
 

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I don't see it as being paranoid, you and her are exposed to situations where an attack is more probable than say me where I work out of home and occasionally visit some customers. We mostly stay at home and that is where I'm protected on several levels from surveillance to lethal weapons. In her case, pepper spray and a flashlight seems to be a good fit. Good job!
 
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