true but no one on this forum have that winch so couldn't ask for an honest opinion so do speak and didn't feel like dropping mad $$$ just to pay for the name. One of the main reasons i've decided to buy this winch was an article in 4wheeler magazine called massive multi-winch shootout. It was obviously paid for by Warn but that put aside they did good job testing the winches and Engo came up pretty high.
Massive Multi-Winch Shootout - Four Wheeler Magazine
PS:thanks Larry(dirty Parts) for getting me a good price on it, A+ vendor
I read through this article, very interesting. Some of the comments below were very poignant. Check this out. Especially the last guy who evened out the scoring. They made good points about the warn failing, and the instructions being valued way more than actual empirical tests, check it out:
PatG2 (06/21/11 08:40 AM)
Boy, was this disappointing. I've been a reader for decades and this is the first time I've felt a need to point out blatant favoritism for advertisers. No question WARN makes a great winch, but how do you justify the two winches that still work at the end of the test not being one and two? A winch that costs less than 25% of the WARN outperforms it and lives and comes in third or fourth? All I had to do was count the WARN ads in the mag to see the answer. Really sad, you've lost your credibility with me.
unrealtrip (08/11/11 10:24 AM
I have to completely agree with Pat, this article has got to be one of the most blatantly biased that I've seen in a long time. Honestly I think it is embarrassing it was even published at all. Just like said above, how is it even possible that the only two winches that actually survived are not 1st and 2nd? Really, I expected more out of your mag, this article should be followed up with an apology over "subjective" scoring which allowed the WARN winch, which effectively failed every single test, to rank in first place. Get real.
abwillingham (09/05/11 06:47 AM
Is this article a joke? You assigned 60 points to the remote control function and a combined 60 points for all the performance tests combined? The performance tests made up only 24% of the total score while the "empirical" fluff tests made up 76%? You gave three times the weight to "external labeling" than you did to the stall or water tests? Seriously? Good to know that even though I'm stuck out in the middle of nowhere with a busted winch, I've got awesome labeling to read while I wait for a rescue. You guys should be ashamed of yourself. One question, did you decide on the score for each category before or after all the tests were completed? Can anyone say "custom warn score card"? The scoring behind this test is either blatant bias or incompetence.
At least you were able to throw Egno the "best value" bone.
TheTJRod (02/08/12 09:46 AM)
Hahahaha... oh your serious. Did a little calculating. Divide the subjective data by 3 and multiply the emperical data by 3. They way it should be. The give the stall test failures half possible score like in the water test and you got the winners(By an even larger amount if you give them a 0 for breaking). T-max and Engo. Adding a price score, with 10 for cheapest and 0 for most still nets Warn a winner in the crap data we don't care about.
The 4Wheeler article is an embarrassment, for Warn the author and the publisher.
I just used a cheap chinese 12,000 lb winch to pull 7 small (4"-8" trunk) trees out of the ground roots and all.
No stump grinder to pay means the winch paid for itself in one morning.
I believe Warn makes quality products. I couldn't justify the price related to my very limited use.
If your use is high with great risks go Warn hydraulic, a truly professional peice of equipment with much lower chance of failure.
I picked up a Tuff Stuff 9,500lb. winch yesterday and will be making a prerunner winch bumper real soon. I plan on replacing the cable with synthetic line but I need to figure out how to get that for free also.... yes I'm cheap and trying to keep my mods to a minimum..
Let's see how long this winch works. Can't wait to start dragging stuff out of my way!
harbor is doing their 12,000lbs badlands winch on sale right now for $329. Normally $499. If anyone cares. =)
12,000 lb. Off-Road Vehicle Winch with Automatic Load-Holding Brake